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Don't try to fix what isn't broke

Postby Domer » March 24th, 2019, 8:26 am

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... s-to-like/

When the NFL's 32 owners get together in Arizona next week, they'll be voting on a total of 16 possible rule changes for 2019, and although most of the proposals are related to instant replay, there is one wild proposal on the table that would potentially add some serious excitement to the fourth quarter of every NFL game next season.

The Broncos have proposed a rule that would give teams an alternative option to the onside kick. Instead of trying to recover an onside kick, teams would have the option of attempting to convert a fourth-and-15 play from their own 35-yard line. If they get the 15 yards, they get a first down and keep possession of the ball. If they don't get the 15 yards, the other team would take over possession from wherever the play ended.

Although NFL owners don't generally approve dramatic rule changes -- the Colts' nine-point touchdown proposal got shot down in 2015 -- the proposal from Denver might actually have a chance to pass and that's because it seems to have some support from the competition committee. According to NFL.com, the proposal from the Broncos "generated a lot of interest" from the committee and multiple members view it as a potentially "fun option" for teams.

One reason the committee likes the idea is because the success rate for onside kick rates has fallen dramatically under the NFL's new kickoff rules, which were implemented in 2018. Under the new rules, players aren't allowed to get a running start, which makes it almost impossible to recover an onside kick. The onside recovery rate was just 7.5 percent in 2018 (4 of 53), which was a dramatic decrease over the 21.7 percent recovery rate from 2017 (13 of 60), when the running start was still permitted.

The committee seems to believe that making the Broncos' proposal an actual rule would add some excitement to the fourth quarter. The reason the rule would only add excitement to the game's final quarter is because the proposal comes with one catch: a team would only be allowed to attempt the fourth-and-15 play once per game, and they'd also only be allowed to attempt it in the fourth quarter.

The play could be attempted after any score, including a touchdown or a field goal. A team could also attempt the fourth-and-15 after giving up a safety. Regular onside kicks could still be attempted at any point in the game as well.

If you're wondering how exactly the play would be officiated, all normal rules would apply, so if a defense got called for defensive holding, the five-yard penalty would result in an automatic first down for the offense. Also, if the offense got penalized, they wouldn't be allowed to then kickoff after the penalty is enforced. They'd have to run a fourth-down play from their new line of scrimmage.

If any of this sounds familiar, it's probably because the Alliance of America Football instituted a similar rule for its inaugural season. In the AAF, instead of an onside kick, teams are allowed to try and convert a fourth-and-12 play from their own 28 after scoring. The catch in the AAF is that a team is only allowed exercise this option if a they're trailing by 17 or more points or if they're trailing with under five minutes left in the game.[…]
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Re: Don't try to fix what isn't broke

Postby Iconoclast » March 24th, 2019, 11:45 pm

It really is broken Domer. And this has nothing to do with the Broncos proposing the change. The issue is that the NFL changed the kickoff rules so that it makes the onside kicks even less likely to be converted. Compare this to the extra point rule. If you want 1 point, they made it to be from further back, if you want to go for two, then it's from the two yard line. The intention of either situation is true and thus they made the rules be in line with each situation. They need to do that for the kickoff and onside. Now maybe this proposal isn't the right one, that's ok. But they need to make the intent and the risk aligned. In the past, the "surprise" element played a role in both the 2 point conversion and the onside kick, however rules changes have eliminated the surprise element (and hopefully they never eliminate the surprise element of the fake punt) so they have to account for this loss.
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Re: Don't try to fix what isn't broke

Postby bigearl » March 25th, 2019, 8:08 am

Iconoclast wrote:It really is broken Domer. And this has nothing to do with the Broncos proposing the change. The issue is that the NFL changed the kickoff rules so that it makes the onside kicks even less likely to be converted. Compare this to the extra point rule. If you want 1 point, they made it to be from further back, if you want to go for two, then it's from the two yard line. The intention of either situation is true and thus they made the rules be in line with each situation. They need to do that for the kickoff and onside. Now maybe this proposal isn't the right one, that's ok. But they need to make the intent and the risk aligned. In the past, the "surprise" element played a role in both the 2 point conversion and the onside kick, however rules changes have eliminated the surprise element (and hopefully they never eliminate the surprise element of the fake punt) so they have to account for this loss.


That proposed rule change significantly favors teams with top tier qb's though, no?

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Re: Don't try to fix what isn't broke

Postby Iconoclast » March 25th, 2019, 1:15 pm

bigearl wrote:
Iconoclast wrote:It really is broken Domer. And this has nothing to do with the Broncos proposing the change. The issue is that the NFL changed the kickoff rules so that it makes the onside kicks even less likely to be converted. Compare this to the extra point rule. If you want 1 point, they made it to be from further back, if you want to go for two, then it's from the two yard line. The intention of either situation is true and thus they made the rules be in line with each situation. They need to do that for the kickoff and onside. Now maybe this proposal isn't the right one, that's ok. But they need to make the intent and the risk aligned. In the past, the "surprise" element played a role in both the 2 point conversion and the onside kick, however rules changes have eliminated the surprise element (and hopefully they never eliminate the surprise element of the fake punt) so they have to account for this loss.


That proposed rule change significantly favors teams with top tier qb's though, no?


I suppose it does, I haven't looked at it really though. I'm not advocating for this to be implemented, but rather I think that something needs to be done to offset the new kickoff rules. It could be this or some other proposal, I just think that something needs to be done.
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Re: Don't try to fix what isn't broke

Postby Domer » March 26th, 2019, 12:07 pm

Iconoclast wrote:It really is broken Domer. And this has nothing to do with the Broncos proposing the change. The issue is that the NFL changed the kickoff rules so that it makes the onside kicks even less likely to be converted. Compare this to the extra point rule. If you want 1 point, they made it to be from further back, if you want to go for two, then it's from the two yard line. The intention of either situation is true and thus they made the rules be in line with each situation. They need to do that for the kickoff and onside. Now maybe this proposal isn't the right one, that's ok. But they need to make the intent and the risk aligned. In the past, the "surprise" element played a role in both the 2 point conversion and the onside kick, however rules changes have eliminated the surprise element (and hopefully they never eliminate the surprise element of the fake punt) so they have to account for this loss.

Well, call me a curmudgeon, but I don't like those rule changes, either. The game was fine for a lot of years the way it was.
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