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Xenon
The X-Man Cometh
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 Posted - 12/01/2007 : 23:59:03
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Ok, so I THINK this is what we have at this point ....
BigEast -> WVa
BigTen -> OSU
ACC -> VTech
PAC10 -> USC
SEC -> LSU
BigXII -> OK
Other Automatics:
Georgia (I think they still are in the Top 4 at the end. I guess that LSU will jump them to #2, but I think Georgia ends at #3)
Missouri/Kansas (One of those two will probably #4, I'm guessing Missouri)
Hawaii will probably stay within the top 12 (assuming they win tonight)
NOW, this is where I think things get really weird:
ASU will be in the top 14 and in a BCS conference so I think they are automatic.
BC might still be in the top 14 and in a BCS Conference so I think THEY are automatic.
Illinois MIGHT rise up to be in the top 14 and in a BCS conferenec so I think they are automatic too.
THAT is 12 "AUTOMATIC" teams for 10 slots. So which Automatics override the other automatics?
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Xenon
The X-Man Cometh
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 00:22:26
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One final comment ...
I will state right now that I was wrong about "BCS worthiness" of the best non-BCS school and the weakest BCS champion. In most if not all of the previous years, the best non-BCS champ has been at least as worthy if not more worthy than the weakest of the BCS champs. I think this year, that will NOT be the case. I think VTech is probably the weakest of the BCS champs this year, and they are better than Hawaii.
I think Hawaii (if they win) will be "more worthy" than Illinois or BC or ASU, but not more worthy the BCS champs.
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bob
N is for kNowledge
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 03:28:02
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Originally posted by Xenon
One final comment ...
I will state right now that I was wrong about "BCS worthiness" of the best non-BCS school and the weakest BCS champion. In most if not all of the previous years, the best non-BCS champ has been at least as worthy if not more worthy than the weakest of the BCS champs. I think this year, that will NOT be the case. I think VTech is probably the weakest of the BCS champs this year, and they are better than Hawaii.
I think Hawaii (if they win) will be "more worthy" than Illinois or BC or ASU, but not more worthy the BCS champs.
Hawaii's signature win is against 4-9 Washington. Seriously, the WAC stinks and has no business in the BCS. Hawaii had better hope they end up catching a team that is disappointed or on a downturn, because they don't have what it takes to play with Illinois, BC or ASU on the mainland. |
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Domer
The Curmudgeon
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 15:50:19
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Originally posted by bob
Hawaii's signature win is against 4-9 Washington. Seriously, the WAC stinks and has no business in the BCS. Hawaii had better hope they end up catching a team that is disappointed or on a downturn, because they don't have what it takes to play with Illinois, BC or ASU on the mainland.
Yeah, bob, just like Pitt couldn't play with West Virginia!
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Dubby
20,001 - A Dubby Space Odyssey
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 15:58:46
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Originally posted by Domer
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Originally posted by bob
Hawaii's signature win is against 4-9 Washington. Seriously, the WAC stinks and has no business in the BCS. Hawaii had better hope they end up catching a team that is disappointed or on a downturn, because they don't have what it takes to play with Illinois, BC or ASU on the mainland.
Yeah, bob, just like Pitt couldn't play with West Virginia!
Hawaii can score on anyone. I've seen them play enough to know, once their offense is clicking. I have serious doubts anyone can stop them.
Hawaii defense stinks. If, they're beaten in a BCS bowl. It will be because of their defense being so terrible. Don't care what the pundits say. They stopped Boise St for all of one Qtr (the 4th) and stopped Udub only after spotting them a 28-7 lead.
bob does have a point. Hawaii is pretty bad once you get them off the island. Despite having a great offense. Their mainland performances Vs San Jose St, La-Tech or Nevada will get them beat Vs UGA the current BCS projection for them. |
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Domer
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 16:03:15
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I'm just saying, Pitt is usually bad in Morgantown, too.
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bob
N is for kNowledge
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 18:04:39
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| I'm inclined to think that a BCS caliber defense that repeatedly beats the crap out of Colt Brennan is going to be able to limit Hawaii's offense plenty. Washington gave up more points to UCLA, ASU, Oregon, & Arizona. Hawaii will get a better defense in their bowl game and will have to play on the mainland. It is possible that they will play lights out and have a good day, but they haven't shown themselves to be of that caliber, as they haven't played anyone that is any good. |
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Xenon
The X-Man Cometh
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 18:10:17
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Bob,
Actually, Hawaii's signature win is 10-2 Boise State who is ranked in the top 25.
That compares resonably well with West Virginia Signature win that is 9-3 Cincinatir who is ranked.
NOW, before Dubby goes nutes, THE REST of West Virginia's schedule is tougher than the rest of Hawaii's schedule. BUT, if all you are going to do is call out a single signature win, Hawaii's signature win is not really all that different than West Virginias.
Virginia Tech's signature win is either 10-3 and Ranked BC (which might be offset by they earlier loss to said BC) or 9-3 Virginia - again, not that big of difference really.
All I am saying is that pointing to Washington as Hawaii's Signature win is misleading. Washington is Hawaii's best non-conference win, but then 6-6 Maryland is West Virginia best non-conference win too.
I guess I am glad to see Hawaii in the BCS because I am always glad to see "the little guy" get a shot. I am not very optimistic about their chances in the BCS, but that is a different story. |
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Xenon
The X-Man Cometh
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 19:58:08
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OK, so the bowl announcement is in just a few minutes ....
I still don't quite understand what happens with more than 10 Automatic Qualifiers out there ....
BigXII - Oklahoma and Kansas/Missouri (both in the top 10 so one or the other is in)
SEC - LSU and Georgia (Both in the top 4, so both are in)
PAC10 - USC and ASU (in the top 14, so they are in as an automatic
BigTen - OSU and Illinois (probably in the top 14)
ACC - VT and maybe BC (might be in the top 14)
Big East - West Virginia
non-BCS - Hawaii, in the top 12, so they are in.
That is 12 teams AUTOMATICALLY qualified for the 10 slots. I don't see how that works. I'm assuming that the lowest ranked teams in the "in the top 14" are the last to be put in, but how does that work?
For example, if the all critical 12-13-14 range is ASU-ILL-BC, then what happens. Is the Rose bowl NOT allowed to select Illinois to replace OSU as many have said they think they want to do? Or is it an selection order question, and if the Rose selects first, they can take Illinois and then the Fiesta doesn't get to take ASU as many have suspected?
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bob
N is for kNowledge
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 22:04:57
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Originally posted by Xenon
Bob,
Actually, Hawaii's signature win is 10-2 Boise State who is ranked in the top 25.
That compares resonably well with West Virginia Signature win that is 9-3 Cincinatir who is ranked.
NOW, before Dubby goes nutes, THE REST of West Virginia's schedule is tougher than the rest of Hawaii's schedule. BUT, if all you are going to do is call out a single signature win, Hawaii's signature win is not really all that different than West Virginias.
Virginia Tech's signature win is either 10-3 and Ranked BC (which might be offset by they earlier loss to said BC) or 9-3 Virginia - again, not that big of difference really.
All I am saying is that pointing to Washington as Hawaii's Signature win is misleading. Washington is Hawaii's best non-conference win, but then 6-6 Maryland is West Virginia best non-conference win too.
I guess I am glad to see Hawaii in the BCS because I am always glad to see "the little guy" get a shot. I am not very optimistic about their chances in the BCS, but that is a different story.
Do you mean the Boise State who has just as sad a schedule as Hawaii, except lost to Washington? At least Cincinnati beat top 3 PAC10 team OSU. Another quality wins in the Big East, the conference that West Virginia won is South Florida over Auburn. West Virginia has also played a more difficult out of conference schedule, having played Miss State and Maryland. The Big East has shown itself to be a decent quality conference, maybe better than the ACC, and certainly better than the WAC.
As for the little guy getting their shot. If they really want a shot at the BCS, they should play a few BCS conference teams each year, not just one that happens to finish last in their conference. That is the only way they can really earn their way in. They have the power to prove they can play with the big boys, they just aren't willing to do what it takes to get there. |
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DWB
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 22:25:46
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Originally posted by Xenon
Ok, so I THINK this is what we have at this point ....
BigEast -> WVa
BigTen -> OSU
ACC -> VTech
PAC10 -> USC
SEC -> LSU
BigXII -> OK
Other Automatics:
Georgia (I think they still are in the Top 4 at the end. I guess that LSU will jump them to #2, but I think Georgia ends at #3)
Missouri/Kansas (One of those two will probably #4, I'm guessing Missouri)
Hawaii will probably stay within the top 12 (assuming they win tonight)
NOW, this is where I think things get really weird:
ASU will be in the top 14 and in a BCS conference so I think they are automatic.
BC might still be in the top 14 and in a BCS Conference so I think THEY are automatic.
Illinois MIGHT rise up to be in the top 14 and in a BCS conferenec so I think they are automatic too.
THAT is 12 "AUTOMATIC" teams for 10 slots. So which Automatics override the other automatics?
The one team that has the biggest gripe obviously has to be Missouri. They beat 2 teams that made BCS bowl games, Kansas and
Illinois, and only lost to another team that made the BCS - Oklahoma.
To me Missouri got screwed big time. |
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Dubby
20,001 - A Dubby Space Odyssey
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 22:25:51
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Originally posted by bob
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Originally posted by Xenon
Bob,
Actually, Hawaii's signature win is 10-2 Boise State who is ranked in the top 25.
That compares resonably well with West Virginia Signature win that is 9-3 Cincinatir who is ranked.
NOW, before Dubby goes nutes, THE REST of West Virginia's schedule is tougher than the rest of Hawaii's schedule. BUT, if all you are going to do is call out a single signature win, Hawaii's signature win is not really all that different than West Virginias.
Virginia Tech's signature win is either 10-3 and Ranked BC (which might be offset by they earlier loss to said BC) or 9-3 Virginia - again, not that big of difference really.
All I am saying is that pointing to Washington as Hawaii's Signature win is misleading. Washington is Hawaii's best non-conference win, but then 6-6 Maryland is West Virginia best non-conference win too.
I guess I am glad to see Hawaii in the BCS because I am always glad to see "the little guy" get a shot. I am not very optimistic about their chances in the BCS, but that is a different story.
Do you mean the Boise State who has just as sad a schedule as Hawaii, except lost to Washington? At least Cincinnati beat top 3 PAC10 team OSU. Another quality wins in the Big East, the conference that West Virginia won is South Florida over Auburn. West Virginia has also played a more difficult out of conference schedule, having played Miss State and Maryland. The Big East has shown itself to be a decent quality conference, maybe better than the ACC, and certainly better than the WAC.
As for the little guy getting their shot. If they really want a shot at the BCS, they should play a few BCS conference teams each year, not just one that happens to finish last in their conference. That is the only way they can really earn their way in. They have the power to prove they can play with the big boys, they just aren't willing to do what it takes to get there.
I agree bob.
Xenon,
Your information is misleading you pointing out the Hawaii Signature win when Hawaii has the Nation 119th SOS. WVU is 60th and that light years better then who Hawaii play.
I go nuts, because you always mention just Cincinnati 23th while failing to mention South Florida 24th. WVU also played 29th UConn.
Over half the teams Hawaii played are not even ranked in the top 100th. Hawaii was eight games into the season before playing their first team not below the 100 line in Fresno St 55th. Don't be impressed with their 55th rankings as games with Boise St lost, Hawaii Lost and K-State win pushed them up from 79th when Hawaii played them.
You can't sit here and compare WVU 60th SOS 3 top 30 thirty teams and Hawaii 119th SOS 1 Top 30.
I'll go nuts everytime because you leave out vital data trying to rip WVU schedule while supporting Hawaii joke of a schedule they played. |
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Devil Doug
The Devil, you say!
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 02:15:54
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Originally posted by bob
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Originally posted by Xenon
One final comment ...
I will state right now that I was wrong about "BCS worthiness" of the best non-BCS school and the weakest BCS champion. In most if not all of the previous years, the best non-BCS champ has been at least as worthy if not more worthy than the weakest of the BCS champs. I think this year, that will NOT be the case. I think VTech is probably the weakest of the BCS champs this year, and they are better than Hawaii.
I think Hawaii (if they win) will be "more worthy" than Illinois or BC or ASU, but not more worthy the BCS champs.
Hawaii's signature win is against 4-9 Washington. Seriously, the WAC stinks and has no business in the BCS. Hawaii had better hope they end up catching a team that is disappointed or on a downturn, because they don't have what it takes to play with Illinois, BC or ASU on the mainland.
Hawaii escaped against the worst team in the PAC-10. However, they fought back. Considering no one else seems to win a game when they have to I'll grudgingly give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe they took Washington for granted. However, the best thing that could happen to the BCS, and I have nothing against any of these teams personally, is LSU to bet OSU by 30+, Georgia to paste Hawaii by 30+ and USC to paste Illinois by 30+ point showing that the BCS is totally screwed up still and a playoff is needed to get this thing right.
Although I'm dissappointed by ASU, we dug our own grave by getting blown out by USC. I think if we play that close we get in. However, I especially feel for Missouri because I can't see how Kansas gets in over them without a conference title appearance and losing just 1 week ago. |
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DawgMaz
Georgia On My Mind
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 10:51:44
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Originally posted by DWB
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Originally posted by Xenon
Ok, so I THINK this is what we have at this point ....
BigEast -> WVa
BigTen -> OSU
ACC -> VTech
PAC10 -> USC
SEC -> LSU
BigXII -> OK
Other Automatics:
Georgia (I think they still are in the Top 4 at the end. I guess that LSU will jump them to #2, but I think Georgia ends at #3)
Missouri/Kansas (One of those two will probably #4, I'm guessing Missouri)
Hawaii will probably stay within the top 12 (assuming they win tonight)
NOW, this is where I think things get really weird:
ASU will be in the top 14 and in a BCS conference so I think they are automatic.
BC might still be in the top 14 and in a BCS Conference so I think THEY are automatic.
Illinois MIGHT rise up to be in the top 14 and in a BCS conferenec so I think they are automatic too.
THAT is 12 "AUTOMATIC" teams for 10 slots. So which Automatics override the other automatics?
The one team that has the biggest gripe obviously has to be Missouri. They beat 2 teams that made BCS bowl games, Kansas and
Illinois, and only lost to another team that made the BCS - Oklahoma.
To me Missouri got screwed big time.
Only Paris Hilton has gotten screwed less than Mizzou did.
That was just one of many things I was thinking as I watched the selection show. Which led to hating the 'you only get two per conference' rule. Which led to hating the fact that the BCS really doesn't mean anything about accomplishment. Which led to me humming "Kung Fu Fighting", because I wanted to judo flip whoever put in the provisions that make the BCS so infuriating.
Then I ate a Three Musketeers bar, which I do sometimes when I need to calm down, because chocolately goodness does that for me. |
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Griff
The luckiest man in the world
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 10:55:52
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Only Paris Hilton has gotten screwed less than Mizzou did.
Less? 
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bob
N is for kNowledge
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Posted - 12/03/2007 : 12:20:17
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Hawaii escaped against the worst team in the PAC-10. However, they fought back. Considering no one else seems to win a game when they have to I'll grudgingly give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe they took Washington for granted.
How could Hawaii take Washington for granted when Washington beat second place Boise State? If they did, they are just plain dumb. I also am not impressed that they won a game when they needed to because this wasn't just another game this season for them. It was one of their top three most difficult games. They didn't play teams that were as good or better than Washington all season, so they didn't have all of the opportunities to lose that teams from BCS conferences had. The teams in their conference are by and large considered to be "cupcakes" for the BCS conference teams. Therefore, I will continue to say that Hawaii has done nothing of note this season. They might as well have played in I-AA. |
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